PIP Serious Implications?

[jetsetwilly]

With Esther McVey's claims that Existing DLA claimants wont be re-assessed untill 2015, I see some problems.

If someone (such as I) will be 65 in 2015 and am not due for re-assessment untill 2015 that will mean I will not be able to claim any PIP as I will be over the 65 Year old age limit? Yet if I am switched to PIP before 65 then I would continue to get PIP after retirement age ??
That would then rule me out of claiming any PIP

[nickd]

Hi Jetset,

Yes I've been considering this quite carefully in another thread over age related claims on DLA.


You raise a very valid point which raises serious issues for many in your position. Government pledges to 'protect' pensioners and to be honest I doubt the sincerity of their claim.


You correctly raise the issue over DLA entitlement continuing beyond the age of 65 which it will for those who have pre-existing awards but as you know they are phasing these out. My concern is for those who are assessed before the age of 65 (and quite possibly as part of an ESA related assessment which triggers a review on a DLA claim) and who will be fixed (if indeed they qualify) with an award which they can't renew when it expires beyond the age of 65. It's an area which I'm looking at with particular regard to the mobility component.


Bear in mind around a third of all DLA claims are for those over the age of 60 (accounting for around 1 million claims in 2012) and you can see how they'll be wanting to save money by axing awards.


However don't panic as I have yet to see what 'transitional protection' the new rules give to claimants in your situation.


Regards


Nick

[jetsetwilly]

I can simply see it as PIP and DLA people sitting down and working out how to claw back some cash.
Effectively all those who are 63 this year, wont get assessed until 2015 when they will be over the PIP age to claim, whereas if one managed to be re-assessed before one hit 65 one would keep PIP after the age of 65 or does PIP automatically stop at 65.

Personally the way HMG have been acting I cant see there being any transitional arrangements other than maybe slipping people like me automatically onto Attendance Allowance thereby saving them £200 a month

[dunserving]

Found this and thought it may help:

www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/pip-assessment-guide.pdf

[nickd]

Many thanks Dunserving - very helpful of you! I've had a glance over some of it as I'm busy putting a few pieces together on PIP as something 'I'm working on'.

Indeed we have some radical changes coming up on the forum :-)

[dunserving]

nick, here's another link that may help (or at least give the opportunity to monitor changes in the run up to implementation:

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2013/9780111532072/contents

I found this before that at my link above.

[qinteq]

PIP - Predicted Reassessments & - Impacts - caseloads & outcome modelling to October 2018 -

www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/pip-reassessments-and-impacts.pdf

[nickd]

Many thanks Qinteq, I understand they are looking at the draft PIP regulations next week on the 5th February, like I say I am working on a new post and hope to have it up and running soon, so all information if really help and much appreciated :-)

[qinteq]

Today's released confirmation of Blue Badge & VED implications :

- www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/68967/consultation-response.pdf
- www.hmrc.gov.uk/tiin/2012/tiin2352.pdf

- any mobility component under PIP, you can fasttrack a blue badge via the Jan 2013 'new BB rules'

- standard rate of PIP mobility component, you get 50% off a tax disk
- enhanced rate of PIP mobility component the VED is zero rated, as is the current case with HRDLA

- assuming 20% of the 500,000 who currently receive only HRMDLA [almost exclusively arthritis sufferers] come out of DLA mobility altogether, or ;
- score a standard rate of PIP mobility component

It seems the HMRC it seems are not going to 'clawback' the savings, but rather, those awarded the standard rate of PIP will be given a 50% VED rather that the full exemption on vehicle road tax they previously enjoyed. Now what we are seeing here is a tax neutral shift by a government not known to show kindness to its working age population, I'm therefore immediately suspicious.

[qinteq]

PIP and the Blue Badge

- three options were considered
- the third was 'keep it the same'
- 8 points or more in the ‘Moving Around’ activity was the eventual automatically eligible outcome

Enhanced mobility component of PIP, needs an accrued 12 points from the first or second mobility activity in Part 3 of Schedule 1 of the PIP regs.

The first activity [11] is non physical and [12] is stand and move more than 20 meters so anyone who can plan a journey and walk 20 meters does not get enhanced mobility component, and will not get Motability scheme.

Here 1.4

Therefore, having carefully considered the responses to the consultation, Ministers have decided that, when DLA is replaced by PIP, there should still be a legislative link that means those people who score 8 points or more in the ‘Moving Around’ activity of PIP will be automatically eligible for a Blue Badge. This activity assesses a persons physical ability to get around and a score of 8 points or more will be awarded to people who are either unable to walk or who cannot walk further than approximately 50 metres. This means that eligibility for a Blue Badge will continue to be asimilar to the current eligibility criteria for the scheme as possible.