Post by nickd on Mar 10, 2012 9:02:40 GMT 1
Voting analysis
It's interesting to take a look at how the Peers voted in both these amendments because they were passionately debated in the pre-vote debate. They are therefore likely to be reflective of how Peers vote in the House of Lords when it comes to matters of social welfare. These figures could give a strong indication over how Peers are likely to vote in future debates, not necessarily connected with LASPO (which is reaching a conclusion) but in forthcoming reforms. Here's how the votes are broken down.
Numbers who did not vote for amendment 11
126 --- Conservatives
0 ----- Labour
62 --- Liberal Democrats
9 ----- Crossbench
1 ----- UUP
198 --- Total
Numbers who did vote for amendment 11
2 ----- Conservatives
176 --- Labour
4 ----- Liberal Democrats
46 --- Crossbench
0 ----- UUP
5 ----- Bishops
1 ----- Other
1 ----- PC
1 ----- DUP
1 ----- Ind Labour
237 ----- Total
Break down of voters in amendment 11
mylegal.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=frontline&thread=599&page=1#1404
Numbers who did not vote for amendment 12
124 ---- Conservatives
0 ----- Labour
61 ----- Liberal Democrats
7 ----- Crossbench
1 ----- UUP
193 ----- Total
Numbers who did vote for amendment 12
1 ----- Conservatives
168 --- Labour
4 ----- Liberal Democrats
41 --- Crossbench
0 ----- UUP
3 ----- Bishops
1 ----- Other
1 ----- PC
1 ----- DUP
1 ----- Ind Labour
221 ----- Total
Breakdown of voters in amendment 12
mylegal.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=frontline&thread=600&page=1#1405
What is clear from these votes is that it was very much a coalition versus opposition vote (Conservatives & Liberal Democrats v Labour. There have been reports that it was a combination of crossbenchers and Conservatives who came to the rescue by voting for the amendments.
Whilst this is true of the crossbenchers, support from the Conservatives was extremely low with only 2 votes for amendment 11 and 1 in amendment 12.
The Liberal Democrat support was also very low when it came to voting for the amendments; the vast majority voted against them.
The smaller parties contributed by adding chiefly to voting for the amendments as opposed to UUP which voted by 1 against amendments 11 & 12
Turn out - in amendment 11 vote.
20% --------- Bishops
55.90% ------- Conservatives
69.30% ------- Labour
67.30% ------- Liberal Democrat
28.50% ------- Crossbenchers
Overall % of turn out was 53.7%
The turnout figure is important. A greater number of Labour peers turned out, closely followed by the Liberals then Conservatives. Crossbenchers were very supportive in voting for both amendments, but their turn out figure was low at 28.50%. I have not listed the smaller parties, but when they do, their turnout figure is always going to be high because they typically only represents 1 or 2 - so the figure is more likely to be 100%.
It strikes me that unless the key parties have a change in how they vote against their party, the crossbenchers are the ones to look to for support.
For more information on voting trends
www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2012-03-07&number=1&house=lords&display=allpossible
It's interesting to take a look at how the Peers voted in both these amendments because they were passionately debated in the pre-vote debate. They are therefore likely to be reflective of how Peers vote in the House of Lords when it comes to matters of social welfare. These figures could give a strong indication over how Peers are likely to vote in future debates, not necessarily connected with LASPO (which is reaching a conclusion) but in forthcoming reforms. Here's how the votes are broken down.
Numbers who did not vote for amendment 11
126 --- Conservatives
0 ----- Labour
62 --- Liberal Democrats
9 ----- Crossbench
1 ----- UUP
198 --- Total
Numbers who did vote for amendment 11
2 ----- Conservatives
176 --- Labour
4 ----- Liberal Democrats
46 --- Crossbench
0 ----- UUP
5 ----- Bishops
1 ----- Other
1 ----- PC
1 ----- DUP
1 ----- Ind Labour
237 ----- Total
Break down of voters in amendment 11
mylegal.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=frontline&thread=599&page=1#1404
Numbers who did not vote for amendment 12
124 ---- Conservatives
0 ----- Labour
61 ----- Liberal Democrats
7 ----- Crossbench
1 ----- UUP
193 ----- Total
Numbers who did vote for amendment 12
1 ----- Conservatives
168 --- Labour
4 ----- Liberal Democrats
41 --- Crossbench
0 ----- UUP
3 ----- Bishops
1 ----- Other
1 ----- PC
1 ----- DUP
1 ----- Ind Labour
221 ----- Total
Breakdown of voters in amendment 12
mylegal.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=frontline&thread=600&page=1#1405
What is clear from these votes is that it was very much a coalition versus opposition vote (Conservatives & Liberal Democrats v Labour. There have been reports that it was a combination of crossbenchers and Conservatives who came to the rescue by voting for the amendments.
Whilst this is true of the crossbenchers, support from the Conservatives was extremely low with only 2 votes for amendment 11 and 1 in amendment 12.
The Liberal Democrat support was also very low when it came to voting for the amendments; the vast majority voted against them.
The smaller parties contributed by adding chiefly to voting for the amendments as opposed to UUP which voted by 1 against amendments 11 & 12
Turn out - in amendment 11 vote.
20% --------- Bishops
55.90% ------- Conservatives
69.30% ------- Labour
67.30% ------- Liberal Democrat
28.50% ------- Crossbenchers
Overall % of turn out was 53.7%
The turnout figure is important. A greater number of Labour peers turned out, closely followed by the Liberals then Conservatives. Crossbenchers were very supportive in voting for both amendments, but their turn out figure was low at 28.50%. I have not listed the smaller parties, but when they do, their turnout figure is always going to be high because they typically only represents 1 or 2 - so the figure is more likely to be 100%.
It strikes me that unless the key parties have a change in how they vote against their party, the crossbenchers are the ones to look to for support.
For more information on voting trends
www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2012-03-07&number=1&house=lords&display=allpossible
